tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5820278.post3063341166326467036..comments2023-09-23T15:05:48.320+00:00Comments on FaithInSociety: Simon Barrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05366440538616508935noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5820278.post-69014543032671458212008-06-18T08:48:00.000+00:002008-06-18T08:48:00.000+00:00I'd suggest they are far less guilty of this than ...I'd suggest they are far less guilty of this than the state is, which is why I share you're concerns about the church recieving money from the state for social provision. It may well be better at it but it is better at it because it can transform as a conduit of God's grace. But then it is this potential to transform that scares the Humanist lobby.ChrisChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08473050698831105427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5820278.post-61684086172334311902008-06-17T20:55:00.000+00:002008-06-17T20:55:00.000+00:00I wasn't saying that all recipients of social prov...I wasn't saying that all recipients of social provision are victims, but that the Gospel is about transformation not amelioration (in a variety of ways). I do think that the church is sometimes in danger of patronising those it seeks to serve, perpetuating dependence and the denial of dignity.Simon Barrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05366440538616508935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5820278.post-14196182944862021852008-06-17T13:24:00.000+00:002008-06-17T13:24:00.000+00:00'The Christian Gospel is not primarily about patch...'The Christian Gospel is not primarily about patching up victims but ending victimisation.' I tend to agree with the thrust of this (outcomes are important again) but not all recipients of social provision, either from the state or elsewhere, are best chracterised as 'victims'. 'Victims' of what?ChrisChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08473050698831105427noreply@blogger.com